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05. Oct 2005 at 07:16
 
Gurudwara going to be built in between two Clubs!
In canada. Ontario Cambrdige I want your views
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Reply #1 - 06. Oct 2005 at 04:15
 
No comments for this act. I think Sikhs born in western countries are different in species and they think whatever theyr are doing is correct and we Indian born Sikhs are fools and idiots. So let them do whatever they want. May God help them.
 
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Reply #2 - 08. Oct 2005 at 05:13
 
harpeet singh. I am from USA Born & raised but as  you mention with you remarks being a Musalman, I am not pleased. No Holy place should be built near CLUBS. Allah Afiz Smiley
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Reply #3 - 11. Oct 2005 at 05:12
 
Bilal sahib I am with you. I am from BC Canada. No holy should be built in between clubs at all. After all we are all human bein & do we wants our house to be built near clubs than why we want our Holy Place to be their . Binder I am very sad on those people who even thought about it . Shame on Cambridge peoples. Sat Sri Akal
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Reply #4 - 11. Oct 2005 at 22:01
 
I have tried telling Sikhs in my local area that langar should be served on ground and not like hotel where u go to serving table .. pick up whatever u need and come back on chairs and tables to eat it. But excuse was this is going on in UK since ages and we have no problems with eating on tables... and old man came with explanation that it was started for old people but now everyone prefer to sit on table !!! In India old people are not treated well thats why they sit on ground to have langar.. I was really surprised by reply of 70 year old buzarg!
 
Try explaning to US or Canadian Sikhs that Sikhs in India are equal as other religions but you will get reply that you are puppet of Govt. of India like Manmohan Singh. For them Sikhs of India including Dr Manmohan are fools ..... thats why i just wrote let them do whatever they want....  
 
Try conveying message to these people... and you can listen to 100+ excuses justifying their initiative...  
 
I think people should invest in educating Indian Sikhs so that they donot need to migrate to west for few dollars. I would prefer to open a school rather than Gurudwara in my village in Punjab.
 
To all Indian Sikhs, please think twice before spending millions to migrate to west... i have seen Sikhs being humiliated by this species of western Sikhs openly. Spend that million for education first.
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Reply #5 - 14. Oct 2005 at 04:42
 
Harpeet Singh JI, I am very happy on your seccond letter. I am proud to be a Musalman atleast.  
 
Our Molvi will never let this happened. The Akal Takhat a high power in Sikhs should involve in this conversation to stop those people who wants to built a Gurudwara in that place.  
Also they shouldnt eat a langer on the tables. Even when the religon came in forum that time their were a Old Bazurag too but how they were eating it. Second, eating on the floor means every one should be same I mean No king or peoples like shsould be different, we all should be treated same.
This topic is very important we should give good remarks to Binder who open this topic. Thank you
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Reply #6 - 14. Oct 2005 at 04:54
 
I don't understand how any one can even think about it. Where are all the Moderate sikh who wants their own home land & they can not stop these peoples who wants to do this building a Gurudwara near CLUBS. shame on them. Come on every one join to have petition on this topic for Akaal takhat
 
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Reply #7 - 14. Oct 2005 at 06:03
 
I spent most of the life in western country. I have read all the views from every person. In my opinion , and so far my sikh history knowledge,NO Gurdwaras or any holy place or even personel residence should not be built near any clubs or drinking  estblishment. So far as I know The Sikhs religion have high Authority,which is call AKAL TAHKAT should or must involve in this situation to solve the ashameful problem. They should stop to build Gurdwara in that place. It look like there no more sikhss like olden time, or may I say the are not the sikh of GuruGobind Singh.
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Reply #8 - 14. Oct 2005 at 07:23
 
Hi everyone.  
I am impress with everyone remarks on this issue. I think we have to teach so many things to those peoples whos thoughts are so called non sikh.  
 
They have forgotten our GURU's Teaching why we are sikh any why they have to give every things to GURU GRANTH SAHIB. Shabab GURU.
 
We should built a school in Canada & UK Also in USA so they can learn what is sikh. why we are what we are!
 
What is main perpose of Sikh religion.  
sat sri Akal to every one
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Reply #9 - 19. Oct 2005 at 02:32
 
Hello everyone.  
 
I am from USA and my family lives in Canada. I am agree with Tajbahudar singh ji.
 
Who ever think, they are truely Sikh and they want to do some thing for the sikh religon please Open up the Schools for the people to get educate.
 
 If they are educated and definatly they will never think of having the any holy place built nrxt to or near to clubs.
 
Have a good day Smiley
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Reply #10 - 29. Oct 2005 at 05:55
 
hello every one. I think I dp agree with school we should have to educate every one more like people from UK, USA and Canada.  
They are the one who think what ever they say is "GOD" word rest is not improtant at all.
 
However, i am from Germany and  if any one ask my opninion, I will say please do us a favour do not bulid any gurudwara at all next to or near by in any kind of Clubs at all.
 
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Reply #11 - 29. Oct 2005 at 06:15
 
Hello Reader friends,
 
I am so thank full for this topic. I am pleased at least their are some concern who cares for GURUDWARA's where they can or can not build.  
guys keep writting your views pls
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Reply #12 - 09. Nov 2005 at 06:17
 
Khalsa Ji,
 
Why do you look backward.Why is sitting on table or floor eating Gurus lanager is a problem.
 
I am greatful to comments made by the non Sikh  guys. BUT you do not know our way of life. There are Enough Khalsa's around the world who still parctice and live in the Gurus footsteps.
 
All religious palces I know in UK be it a Mosque,Church, Mandir or Gurdwara are built near a PUB. WHY we live in UK and PUB culture is very strong here.If you disagree with that Go back to India or where ever you came from Its very simple.
The Khalsa live with soceiety not apart from it. Learn, accept it and move on.
 
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Reply #13 - 09. Nov 2005 at 20:55
 
Thanks for the last message... saying Go back from whereever you have come ???? just because people are opposing building of Gurudwara near club... great going das ji.  
 
Personally i will go back once i complete my education and serve people in my country rather than staying in some developed country and saying my own country is just a waste...  Hope you guys will enjoy your stay here.
 
Hope even if pub culture starts in Punjab no one will dare to build religious place near to it. Don't talk about UK here as i have seen Gurudwara's named as Bhatia Gurudwara etc here .... Even i couldnot get it what does that mean !!!!
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Reply #14 - 10. Nov 2005 at 00:31
 
Interesting points made by Panth Da Das.
 
I agree that many Gurdwaras were originally founded in schools, old churches and even halls and banqueting suites (which yes, you guessed it, probably served alcohol).....and some of the old Gurdwaras tend to be situated in areas which are now shall we say very seedy.  
 
Now if you had a choice, I would agree that you would not situate a Gurdwara near a pub but then the question is how near a pub would it be acceptable? If a pub next door is not acceptable, then what about 2 or 3 houses away? same street? next street? a mile away?...you get my drift? How can we isolate ourselves in the western world? We need to integrate.
 
Which brings me onto a wider point...If being situated next to a pub is not acceptable to some people, how do these people react when you have a wedding ceremony at the Gurdwara and the whole congretion then go to the community center or hotel or hall to get drunk in the afternoon at the wedding party.
 
I think the strength of the religion should be to exist in harmony amongst the current local community. Sri Guru Nanak Jee and Sheikh Kabir Jee continually stressed that you becoming a Sadhu, isolating yourself from the community, going to the jungle or to the caves to meditate is not the way. You have to live in the real world and face all the challenges of modern living which includes other people who do not believe in your religion, who commit sin and crime including people who visit the pub.
 
Just my thoughts....
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Reply #15 - 10. Nov 2005 at 06:24
 
I do agree with u, but what if you are building Gurudwara knowingly in club or next to Pub. !!!!  
 
Integration into western society should be in all fronts and taking Gurudwara into club !!!! is it an integration !!!
 
If you want to integrate into west ..integrate fully
but i think people here end up with identity problems.. anyway to cut long story short... I am against building Gurudwaras or even my own house in Pubs or clubs or next to them.  
 
Guru fateh
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Reply #16 - 11. Nov 2005 at 16:04
 
Angry I am so sad reading all those views by Panth da das, and others after that.
Why this panth da das is calling him self by that name because it's old name it should be new name.
Second, no matter how manys Khalsa are around the world but we have look at the main perpose of our GURU to have the Langer maryada!
Third, why our GURU sacrifies everything to built this religon ( panth Khals ) DO NOT SMOKE No DRUGS< NO HALAL MEAT we ahev to consider the sikh Value
Why we left India and we should go back where ever we came from SIR JI! have you ever read the UDaseyan how far OUR First GURU Nanak DEV Ji went to preach the religon.
 Today sikhs from around the world visit pakistan to see Nankana sahib according to you guys we should sit home & see the people do wrong thigs to our GURUDAWARA and wait or close our eyes and close our thoghts and closed our mouth
well well well Panth da Das ji I am very sure Nemana like me msut be hurt by yor coments and others who think like you.
UK USA OR CANADA, especialy from UK, they are the one first do make GURUDWARA next to PUB or near by PUB and same people when they go to INDIA have the marrieges done no matter how many times and ask for DAowry also they do the same things in UK too. Have  you seen how many our PUNJABI Girls & boys are getting married to NON SIKH.
At last not least, Their is one Udasi by GURU NANAK DEV JI, when Guru went to one Village and some sangat did so much and some sanagat were so rude to Baba ji, you know the sangat were Good, what Baba ji said to them UJAR JAO( Means shouldn't be in that place, and who were RUDE Baba ji said to them Basdy Raho ( Means Stay here )
Can you tell me why Baba ji said that
I am very sure you have no idea what that mean.
 If any one is going to hurt by my views Baba ji Forgive me I said what ever I felt and HURT
Guru Fateh to All of you
Nemana
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Reply #17 - 11. Nov 2005 at 21:55
 
Hey guys. Stop arguing on this. I am totaly agree with Arvinder Kahlsa. I know this story why baba ji said that who helped them it means, Good things can spread and people were rude Baba ji said stay that means bad fishes can saty in one place.
 Guys thi sis very serious subjects, about our future of our kids.  
No matter were we are in the World we should remember our roots.
 
Arvinder I do agree on the subject you touched with DOWARY, YEAH uk PEOPLE DO ASK FOR THAT EVEN THEY GO TO iNDIA GET MARRY SO MANY TIMES & THEY THINGS IT'S NORMAL. i KNOW IT CAN BE ANY WHERE ELSE BUT uk DESI ARE FAMOUS
 
So peoples grow up on our culture. Do we ever asked our parents that we are tired of you and we want o change you because we are in UK USA OR in Canada Shocked Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #18 - 11. Nov 2005 at 23:35
 
"Holier than thou"...springs to my mind.
 
The world is full of selfish acts and greed.....whether in the UK, US, India or next to a Gurdwara. The discussion started with a simple question whether it is right to have a Gurdwara next to a pub. The answer is simple of course it is not. The discussion needs to move on ....what happens if a pub is built to a Gurdwara afterwards? What would you do? Knock down the Gurdwara and build a new one somewhere else? How far should the Gurdwara be away from the Pub to be acceptable?
 
Moving on from this point. the real world (which is the same irrespective of whether you are in the UK or India or anywhere else), the question is how can one issolate a religion and religious values from the rest of the word which does not live by the same values? The answer is you can't unless you exclude the rest of the world and become a hermit. Hence the challenge, and not an easy challenge is to try and change and influence the rest of the world, to do good deeds and help people see the light. This in my humble opinion is far better to than an isolation viewpoint. Our great Guru's went out into the real world to teach and set an example - they went forward to help people. I would humbly suggest they accepted the challenge to change the world.
 
Which brings me to the point about the pub. Should we not influence these same pub goers than to somehow reject them as inferior beings and not associate with them. Is this not the greatest sewa of all to bring peace, tranquility and hope to these people. Should the same Gurdwara not open up the Langar to each and all, to bring them under the true light of the Guru......
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Reply #19 - 12. Nov 2005 at 17:20
 
 SmileyWao Sir Ji I am stunt with your remarks. We should help needy peoples and other hand we should also look at our surrounding what we are & where we are.
 
In my Life I never seen a Church built next to or near by A PUB than why we should give up the topic I think This topic should be open to see how far some so Called (some Committee members of GURUDWARA) want to built and may be they can change their mind if we give them enough reason not to!
 
Our Baba ji taught us how to help others, how to protect our self & keep our identity.
 
Chill Every one
 
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Reply #20 - 18. Nov 2005 at 17:51
 
Fateh!!
 
Harpreet Singh ji, exactly!!
 
What makes you think that everything is running fine in India. I was Born in India/Punjab.
This is a country full of corruption, deceit and Lies.
All organisations are corrupt be it the Goverment or Gurdwara comitees.
India is a country has no value on Human life.
 
I spent 3 weeks there travelled to many gurdwara's. You are right there are no pubs any where near the Gurdwara. What I had notices is there are a lot of Hall's/Palaces's near Gurdwara's and a lot of off licences.
 
Lot of Singhs are turning there back to Sikhi. So what is better!!!!
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Reply #21 - 18. Nov 2005 at 18:09
 
Arvinder Khalsa!!
 
We have digresed from the main point. But can I just say that there are many scriptes in Sikhi
The life teachings of all 10 Gurus does no way compare to any scripture on this earth.
 
Trust me Those who have Sikhi in their heart will leave the cycle of Birth and Death.
 
I know if I was to be Born again and had a choise of what faith to be born. With out any discussion I would choose to be the Khalsa of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji.
 
BTW: unless I am mistaken
 
" Basdy Raho"( In the context Guru ji said this means ("Long may you continue to live happy in your village")
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Reply #22 - 18. Nov 2005 at 19:23
 
Path da das ji. Smiley
Vady raho means stay here and be rude to everyone at least they can have their rudness in their own town. only my true people can go faar mean ujar jai to spread sikh religon.
Anyway thanks for your views
Aji Vasdey raho aap bhee.
Gur fateh
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Reply #23 - 18. Nov 2005 at 21:22
 
Arvinder Singh Ji.....
 
 
 Smiley Yoy are absolutly correct with that translation. That is exactly what it means in the context Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Ji said it in.
 
I bow to you superior Gian... That is what Sikhi is all about learning all the time.
 
In an ideal world we the sangat should have more choice and control over Gurdwaras
If we all were Gurmukh then  we would not be having this discussion this.There are so many manmukhs amongs us
that have walked away from the gurus footsteps.
 
We need to integarte with all societies and not isolate ourselves like Islam. How  we do this is via education. more colleges that teach the correct way of Sikhism.
 
The rehat Maryada has changed so much over the years. Re: the table issue for Langer.
For me personally. I dont have an issue with tables at local Gurdwaras.
The day I see Langer being served at any of the 5 Takats or any Historiacal Gurdwara associated to our Gurus, its then I will fell there is a problem.
 
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Reply #24 - 18. Nov 2005 at 21:22
 
To my brothers and sisters,
 
Just a few words from us.
 
Please be kind enough to respect each person and their veiw point. By all means, be controversial, articulate your point of view, defend your position but always, and we mean always, respect the others persons point of view. Only by respecting the other persons right to have a point of view which differs from your own will you have any chance of influencing that view point. We are, after all, brothers and sisters, with a common heritage and a single aim to help our community and religion prosper. We implore you to act with humility and respect for each other. This is one of the key principles of our brotherhood.  Just like the Sri Harmandir Sahib, open to the whole of mankind on all four sides - north, south, east and west, so should we be open to all points of views and strive to seek common ground.
 
We welcome all points of views. We should not judge anyone.
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding. Apologies to anyone if by mistake we have offended anyone.
 
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Reply #25 - 02. Jan 2006 at 16:59
 
[ Smiley Wish you all Happy New Year but still the fact remains the same on this topic. I think we all are agrees with Admin remarks. We should think about every one else feelings but when it's comes to the Sikh matters we should make them understand Pls Bhai ji do not even think about it why do you want to built such a holy place in between two Clubs!
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Reply #26 - 14. Feb 2006 at 04:12
 
Smiley I am so sorry to hear this topic I was visiting in Canada from Germany over the Xmas. I had chance to visit few Gurudwara's in Ontario and I have seen so many members of the Gurudwara fighting over the Gurudwara why they want to built near by the clubs I don't understand. How about if they live nera by that place and see how they will feel. They think who will going to stop them A Baba Ji. They think they are powerfull than anybody else. They have given the power to new non sikh kids to built the Gurudwara. What a shame  
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